by Cpl. Hunter McDonald,
Victoria RCMP Sub/Division G.I.S.,
Victoria, B. C.
Interview Rooms And Equipment (Video)
If the offence occurred in the
family home, do not conduct the interview there. Furthermore, it is
vital not to interview the child seated on a couch or bed if the
incident happened on or in any such location. A very young child may
think because you are leading up to the problem, that you are, also,
going to abuse him/her.
Each agency has different conditions in which
to work. With some imagination and networking, it may be possible to
create and share a child-oriented room. Mental health, public health
and counselling services, all have facilities that may be suitable.
During your networking, arrangements can be made on an as-needed basis.
This room should be "homey" with lots of pictures and drawings on the
walls. Colouring and drawing supplies, along with toys should be
available. Smaller children like to talk into toy phones and these can
be acquired and wired into your recording system. Anatomically correct
dolls and drawings, along with hand puppets, may be useful.
If
possible, the room should be away from a busy police station.
Any
agency in the enviable position of having input into the design of a
new facility should request a special room equipped with one-way glass,
unobtrusively placed video and audio equipment, and located in a
low-traffic part of the building. These facilities can be shared by
many agencies in order to justify costs. Recording equipment, if not
available, can be rented for a nominal fee.
The ideal approach is to
video-record the entire interview. Problems occur when children are
non-verbal or talk too quietly. Video assists in objectively recording
the nuances of body language communication as well as the child's own
words.
The use of video in police work is a contentious and double-edged
sword but, with controls and training, is a powerful instrument. A
disclosure can be recorded and opinions sought from
mental health personnel, prosecutors, police supervisors, or social
workers who view it. Sometimes it can be shown to the supportive
parent, in order that the primary and secondary victims may discuss the
interview and issues raised during it.
During the interrogation of the
offender, key portions of the tape can be shown in order to gain an
admission. If a confession is obtained, the tape may be shown to the
court during a Voir Dire. The tape may also be used in court during the
sentencing of the offender. It is imperative that permission be
obtained from the child and parent/guardian prior to any third party
viewing the tape.
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PREPARATION FOR DISCLOSURE FOR LONG TERM SEXUAL ABUSE
To gain the trust of a child takes time and effort. Without trust we
will not be successful in obtaining an accurate disclosure.
Home Visits
Once a complaint has been received, it is vital that the police officer
and social worker meet and discuss the process. One way to do this and
save time is to meet at the child's home. It is best to meet the
non-offending parent at the residence prior to the child coming home
from school.
Ensure that
the child knows you will be there when she*
arrives home. [*For the purpose of this section,
we will assume that the victim is
female. ]
The time spent prior to meeting the child assists the
investigator to:
- assess hidden family agendas (Le., suppressed
anger, impending divorce);
- view the scene (if applicable);
- support the parent(s) with material and advice;
- get photographs from
family albums of all persons with the opportunity to have committed the
offense(s). These can be used in the disclosure process;
- chart a
chronology of the child's life (Le., list of schools, major events
in her life and the ages at which they took
place); and
- discover possible indicators (Appendix "A").
When the
victim arrives home, you should put all your efforts into building
trust and allaying her fears. For example, show her a picture of your
interview room. Tell her about your contacts with other children, for
example, "that you spoke to a little girl last week because she had a
problem and that you are helping her with it. Maybe you can help her
[the new victim] if she has one". If she is really young, you can tell
her that you and your co-interviewer are "safety people". Tell her what
is going to happen and answer any of her questions. The child can show
you her room and pick a doll or toy she may wish to bring to the
interview.
The benefits of meeting a child in her own environment are
many, but include the following:
- she feels safe at home;
- you can
assess her developmental level;
- you can assess which professional
(in a two-person team) she relates to better;
- you can assess if the
child is ready to talk; and
- you can establish a trusting rapport.
Prior to leaving, you make an appointment for the interview and give
the child your card. The time you have spent is invaluable and will
result in a less stressful interview for all concerned, coupled with a
better knowledge of your fellow worker. Do not discuss "the problem"
during this meeting, unless the child surfaces the issues.
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Indicators
There are many signs that are evident when children are troubled and
range from bedwetting to suicide (see Appendix "A"). The investigator
must be aware of these when interviewing other witnesses, especially
the parents. It is important to catalogue observations, especially
dates of behavioural change. The absence of indicators does not mean
that the charge is unfounded. The possibility of "hidden agendas" must
be considered.
Young children are often the pawns in divorce cases and
the accusation of abuse by one parent against another is not uncommon.
The following observations could point to a false complaint:
- the
child's sexual vocabulary is more advanced than normal, especially if
it seems prompted and rehearsed;
- there is a lack of emotion about
key issues;
- the child gives general details but not sensory details
such as smell and touch, as would be expected;
- the story sounds rehearsed;
- the complaining parent insists on being present during
the interview; and
- the child seems overly eager to please.
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Cross-Cultural Factors
The fact that we deal with many indigenous and
immigrant families, compounds the problems for the investigator as
conducting an interview through an interpreter is difficult.
Many
children are practising two cultures. At school, they are educated in
North American attitudes and, at home, they may face the conflicting
morals of their parents. Some adolescents caught in such a difficult
situation may seek an escape. Hidden agendas for such adolescents must
be borne in mind. However, the fact that they have complained against a
parent, who represents their culture and their extended family, must
weigh in favour of the teenager being believed.
It is vital that the
investigator seek an understanding of the values, attitudes and systems
that prevail in minority families. In most, if not all societies of the
world, it is accepted that father and daughter incest is taboo.
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Handicapped Victims
During your home visit, you may discover that the
victim is either "developmentally slow" or emotionally or physically
handicapped. Enlist the aid of a 5 specialist to assist you during the
interview. Do not back off; patience and a thorough investigation may
win the day by enabling a charge to be laid without the victim having
to testify.
Cult-Related
If you suspect cult-related activities in an
assault, extra sensitivity is required. Some disclosures are so bizarre
that they may be dismissed as nightmares or over-active imagination, or
even as signs of mental instability. Don't dismiss them so easily as
there is sometimes some factual basis.
Credibility is a difficult issue
for all persons, even psychiatrists, involved in dealing with victims
of the occult. The book
Michelle
Remembers by Victoria, B.C.,
psychiatrist, Dr. Larry Pazder, illustrates the bizarre nature of
disclosures involving the occult. In a recent Hamilton, Ontario,
conviction, the judge referred to the occult in his decision thereby
judicially recognizing the phenomena.
In some cases, the victim is told
that if he or she confides the secret to someone, that individual will
die as will the victim. References to flames, water, insects, blood,
phases of the moon or human sacrifices in a disclosure must not be
immediately dismissed. The damage to a victim's mental state must be
considered. The assistance of a reputable professional, knowledgeable
in the occult, should be sought prior to proceeding further.
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Developmental Considerations In Interviewing
Children normally progress
toward adulthood in fairly predictable stages, mastering skills at one
level before moving on to the next. No two children develop at the same
rate. Two children of the same age may vary greatly in physical,
intellectual, or social maturity. But, a general knowledge of what
children are like at certain ages is necessary if an interviewer is to
choose the appropriate methods of gaining information and in assessing
the child's responses.
The following descriptions are not intended to
be all inclusive but rather 6 to stimulate discussion and further
study. The descriptions focus on characteristics which are particularly
relevant to the interview process.
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The Pre-School Child
- develops
language as the primary mode of communications between the ages two and
four.
- does not understand abstract concepts; therefore verbal skills
may imply more comprehension than actually exists.
- does not
understand metaphors, analogies, irony.
- memorizes without
comprehension.
- narrative accounts tend to be rambling and disjointed,
with no distinction between relevant and irrelevant details.
- does not
understand cause and effect.
- only focuses on one thought at a time;
cannot combine thoughts into an integrated whole.
- memories are spotty
and lacking in continuity and organization.
- concepts of time, space,
and distance are not logical.
- is emotionally spontaneous with few
internalized limits.
- can distinguish fact from fantasy.
- is capable
of lying to try to get out of a problem situation, but believes adults
have complete authority and would perceive any lie.
- is totally
dependant on family for all physical and emotional needs.
- has
egocentric perception of the world.
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The School-Age Child
- begins
gradual shift from total reliance on family to involvement with peers.
- identifies different roles for him/ herself
- student, child, peer.
-
develops group loyalty, usually with members of his/her own sex.
-
capable of practicing deception with adults as parts of establishing
his/her own separateness.
- seldom lies about major issues,
particularly in relation to justice and equality. Very sensitive to
unfairness.
- develops increasing mastery of language.
- understands
symbols but most thinking still concrete rather than abstract.
- knows
who he/she is in time and space; understands concept of "others"
- intensely interested in understanding how things work.
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The Adolescent
-undergoes profound physical and emotional changes as his/her body
matures. relates to peer group, may have minimal rapport with adults,
at least outwardly. needs to establish own identity separate from
family.
- may question values and beliefs he/she has been taught.
-capable of deception and manipulation.
- outward show of bravado or
hostility often covers feelings of shyness and inferiority.
- can think
abstractly; understands metaphors, analogies, irony.
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THE INTERVIEW
This
takes patience with a child and cannot be rushed. She has to TRUST you
on her own level - get down on the floor, take your jacket off, draw
pictures, learn about her likes and dislikes, focus on happy things and
talk about yourself as she needs to know you as a PERSON not just as a
police officer.
Children are more communicative when they are busy
colouring or playing. However, discourage them from moving around too
much as it breaks the focus of the conversation and causes problems
with audio and video.
Use this time to ask background questions to
assist in gauging developmental level. Ask her if she knows why she is
there. Explain the rules.
1) we only talk about what actually happened;
2) it is OK to say, "I don't want to talk anymore";
3) it is OK to say,
"I don't know";
4) it is OK to say, "I don't remember"; and
5) it is OK
to cry or ask for support.
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THE PROBLEM
The use of
analogies is a help in getting to the issue. The other children you,
have helped can be of use in encouraging and focusing, without being
leading. For example, "Yesterday I spoke to a boy who had a problem
with his babysitter. Michael told us about the secret and the
babysitter doesn't bother him anymore. Do you have a problem like
that?"
This is a good time to talk about body parts. The use of
anatomical drawings which allow the child to write or point to the
various parts is useful in keeping him or her busy. They may become
evidence, as do any drawings done by the victim. Bathing suit zones and
private areas are useful topics in getting to the issue. Once the
child's terminology has been determined, those are the words that
should be used.
If the child appears "stressed", it may be beneficial
to talk of happier things for a few minutes. If, part-way through the
interview, you realize that she is not ready to talk, do not press, but
continue on building trust. Ensure that the child knows you would like
to talk to her in a week or so. Arrange for follow-up counselling if
required.
It is now time to show the photographs supplied by the
supportive parent. The use of family photographs assists in:
1.
establishing the identity of a suspect(s);
2. eliminating any potential
suspect and/or denies the suspect an easy way out, (a biological parent
accusing a step-parent Le., "It must have been the new Daddy");
3.
identifying any other unknown suspect; and
4. assisting in evoking
reaction from the child.
Arrange the photographs with happy ones at the
beginning and very happy ones at the end. When the child sees the
suspect's picture, she may re-live the experience and disconnect from
you. It is essential that the victim's trust be maintained at least
until after the disclosure. Her favorite people should be the last
topic during this process.
The same questions must
be asked of the child when she is shown each person in each picture.
For example:
INT: What picture is this?
VIC. It is #4.
INT: Who is in
the picture?
VIC: Uncle Fred.
INT: Has Uncle Fred ever touched you in a
way that made you feel sad or mixed-up?
VIC: No.
INT: Did you ever have
to touch Uncle Fred in a way that made you feel sad or mixed-up?
VIC:
Yes.
If the child says yes, whichever way you worded the question, do
not stop and pursue that avenue. Show her the balance of the
photographs as there may have been other offenders. Also, you may
weaken the evidentiary value of the identification if the process is
not completed.
At the end of the photo viewing, ask her if there was
any other person not in the photographs who touched her. Support her by
stating that you know how difficult this is for her.
If she is ready,
it is now time to get the details through focused, but not leading,
questions. It is imperative that open-ended questions be asked. Repeat
the answer to her; use effective listening techniques to ensure she
knows you understand what she has stated and to allow her to correct
you if a point is cloudy. For example, "Are you saying then that Bob
kissed you, is that what you said?" Speak up when repeating in case the
recording equipment cannot pick up her voice.
If difficulty is
encountered, several techniques are helpful. Have one interviewer take
over or ask if one of the investigating team should leave. Suggest to
the child that she think of the incident as it would be on a TV screen
and VCR. This is a special screen as it can use slow motion, freeze,
reverse or fast forward. This allows her to talk in the third person
and to be an observer rather than a victim. With young children, you
can use puppets, or anatomical dolls. Again, care must be used with the
doll in order that defence counsel cannot discredit the disclosure
process. This is a good chance to have the child draw diagrams of the
scene (Le., suspect's residence and describe sights, sounds, smells and
tastes).
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The author, a native of Scotland, emigrated to Canada
in 1965 and
joined the St. Boniface, Manitoba, Police Department the following
year.
He joined the RCMP in 1969 and has worked general
duty detachments, a highway patrol unit and marine services. He also
participated in the E. R. T. programs, was a team leader for several
years and has been a shift NCO and a detachment commander.
Cpl.
McDonald lectures in the areas of cross-cultural education as well as
child sexual assault and has done so for both the RCMP and the Justice
Institute of B.C.
You may contact the author at:
inquiries [AT] childsexabuse.ca